I have heard if you deep fry the power cord it is twice as good as the ones that are deep frozen and cost a bit more, please try it and get back to me
Mark
I have heard if you deep fry the power cord it is twice as good as the ones that are deep frozen and cost a bit more, please try it and get back to me
Mark
Think center channel for 250TIs; (2) 108s, a 104 and a 44ti, now what?
Forget the cables & wires. Get a McIntosh amp/pre-amp. MC402 & C46 (or tube pre-amp) will 'help' with the "in your face" sound you seem to have.
At least it does for me & I have S2600 speakers.
Was someone complaining about something "in your face"?Originally Posted by tom1040
I've had a Mac tube pre-amp for over 35 years. I don't use it in the main system. It's like an antique car that reminds us of how far we've come.
". . . as you have no doubt noticed, no one told the 4345 that it can't work correctly so it does anyway."—Greg Timbers
After deep frying coat them with bread crums!
Then you need let them cool down slowly in an over set to 200 for and hour, then turn off the oven and let them cool over night! In the morning you can just throw them away because they won't be any good!I have heard if you deep fry the power cord it is twice as good as the ones that are deep frozen and cost a bit more, please try it and get back to me
Mark
There is so much FUD about cables, one of the ones that I love is that you need break in your cables, before they will sound good!
Mon$tor cables is the KING OF FUD*
* Fear Uncertainty Doubt
My bag of Neutrik dual-bananas arrived today. I ordered them from markertek.com. They weren't the cheapest but cheap enough at about $1.70 each (more for red, for some reason), and shipping wasn't inexpensive, but they did show up in just two-days. Next time I'm visiting my daughter at college I'll stop by their place in Saugerties, NY, and see what they're all about.
The Neutrik dual-banana plugs are impressive. I've lived with "cheap" RatShack versions at about $4/each, Chinese junk from Parts Express, and even Peavy stuff from my local guitar shop for not-small change for years. Some of the Chinese stuff even had the indicator tab on both sides of the plug—a big help when working blind behind the amp (yeah, I filed them off). I guess they figured if one was good, two would be better.
But the Neutriks are superb. The wire ends are completely enclosed, the contact surfaces are well made, and the standard toothed cable-clamp works well with the "Moonshine" cable. The plated contact elements are even keyed (square) so you can assemble them rotated in 90º increments and they stay put. The fit and material quality is superb for such an inexpensive part. I was so impressed, as I have been with every Neutrik product, that I felt compelled to stage a photo to show just how well thought-out and constructed they are.
The Neutrik part numbers are NYS508-B (for black) and NYS508-R (for red) and I've seen them offered in Europe in an even broader assortment of odd-ball colors. They're available for as little as $1.50 in quantities of ten elsewhere but markertek was a pleasure to deal with even when I called them to tell them they left out several of the toothed cable clamps (notice the black insert in the open red plug in the photo below). I recommend these if you're using dual-bananas on either your amps or your speakers, especially with big cables.
". . . as you have no doubt noticed, no one told the 4345 that it can't work correctly so it does anyway."—Greg Timbers
PE is selling an AR set of 10 gauge 25' cables with banana tips on both ends, plus an option for another tip that will fit in the stock 4345 terminals for $38 a pair. China. Hope they're not radioactive. This beats buying wire and Monster banana jacks. The metal quality on the AR ends, though, is not as good.
Thanks for the tip, needed a few things so I gave them a shot. One freakin line item back-ordered though... Much better prices than the last (never again) place I used.
Let's see if they can get the XLR order right, the last outfit (OnlineComponents.com) sent me just the plug ends with no backhandle/liner (one piece in this SC model) and customer service has been horid to resolve. I'm gonna call SC back and ask them to step in or send me replacements.
36 [L-4E6S BK] Canare L-4E6S Star-Quad Microphone Cable Black @$0.51/ea = $18.36
6 [AAA3MBZ] Switchcraft AAA3MBZ 3 Pin XLR Male Black cable end @$2.29/ea = $13.74
6 [SW3502ABAU] Switchcraft 3502ABAU Longbody RCA Male Black/Gold @$2.29/ea = $13.74
6 [NYS508-B] Neutrik NYS508-B Dual Banana Plug - Black @$1.70/ea = $10.20
6 [NYS508-R] Neutrik NYS508-R Dual Banana Plug - Red @$1.78/ea = $10.68
6 [DELUXE-SPADE-R] Deluxe Gold Spade Connector -RED @$1.79/ea = $10.74
6 [DELUXE-SPADE-B] Deluxe Gold Spade Connector -BLACK @$1.79/ea = $10.74 (Qty Backordered = 6)
1 [2000-1] Markertek Catalog - Latest Edition @$0.00/ea = $0.00
Check to make sure you get one toothed cable-clamp for each Neutrik dual banana.
I just got the missing ones via UPS today after telling them on Friday that there were 11 missing from my order. No muss, no fuss, and of course no charge. But then putting them in from the start would have been my preference. I do understand how keeping up with every small part must be an incredible task, especially if they're buying these from Neutrik in quantities of 100 and dumping them in a bin with a separate bag of the clamps and relying on the order-picker to know they're supposed to go together.
Basically I ended up with four 10' bi-amp speaker cables with quality dual-bananas on both ends for about $23.
". . . as you have no doubt noticed, no one told the 4345 that it can't work correctly so it does anyway."—Greg Timbers
You think? From the PE website reviews of the AR cables:
Handle Bananas Gently
Saturday, October 31, 2009
Bookburn from Montana
I ve saved and waited months to purchase an Onkyo TX-SR507 to power the stereo speakers I built this summer. This cable was to be the finishing touch to my first speaker building project. It looks great (heavier than most of my outdoor extension cords), has positive reviews, and with crimped on banana plugs seemed to be of a good value. But as I plugged my left speaker in, the gold platted banana plug crumbled into five little pieces. Bummer, I muttered. A bit of tape allowed me at least to enjoy the product of my summer toil and careful money management. But I m really disappointed in the ends on these cables. Do not bend. Handle carefully. Best of luck.
". . . as you have no doubt noticed, no one told the 4345 that it can't work correctly so it does anyway."—Greg Timbers
I have skimmed through this entire thread, hoping to find something relevant to my modest assortment of JBLs.
Where is the Lansing products connection to all this, except that it does appear to be about do it your self speaker wire?
I guess there's a connection there? (no pun intended)
Thomas
JBL relevance seems to have departed after the original post in the thread. Though when I resurrected it (because of the previous 6Moons reference in the thread) it was because I'm using the 6Moons Whitelightning Moonshine cables on my JBL 4345s, which is in keeping with the thread topic. I agree as it is now the thread might work better in the Miscellaneous Gear forum.
". . . as you have no doubt noticed, no one told the 4345 that it can't work correctly so it does anyway."—Greg Timbers
what's wrong with the wire + Monster banana jacks (that I spent I don't want to say how much on at RadioShaqONeil for my L7 bi-amp because I was desperate to have something right then and there and the RS version were garbage)?
L100A L7 L5 L1 EC35 LC1, L8400P, Everest D66000 from 11pm-7am
Nothing wrong with the monster wire and banana connectors. They're good. I just always thought they were a little pricier than they needed to be. But it turns out they may be worth the difference.
I was not very clear in that post. I meant it beats the price.
Nothing that I'm aware of. Still on the "cheaper" end of the audiophile pile of cables out there, which I appreciate. I've used Monster dual-banana plugs sourced from Best Buy because they're actually pretty cheap. They don't work that well on normal 16-14-gauge bulk speaker wire because they're designed for the fatter specialty wire and the bulk stuff I normally use gets loose in the bananas far too often and can act as a pretty good wire cutter, too. I've relegated the Monster bananas to the Monster-type wire.
The Neutrik dual bananas work well with smaller wire yet can accommodate larger sizes as well. They just happen to be work perfectly when the cable sheathing is properly trimmed on the 6Moons White Lghtning Moonshine DIY project.
I've never been one to make a big deal about wires and cables, other than I do believe in quality interconnects at least a step above what comes packaged with consumer equipment and have heard that difference. But the Moonshine project produced a good-looking cable that works well and cost less than anything I've used in the recent past, including bulk-off-the-spool-at-Lowe's, plus the Neutrik dual-bananas seem perfectly suited to the Moonshine type of cable. And they sound fine. Better? Who the heck knows, but I do know my car runs better just after I wash and wax it, so...
". . . as you have no doubt noticed, no one told the 4345 that it can't work correctly so it does anyway."—Greg Timbers
Hey, you sold me on them!
Grabbed 2 Walmart 40' power cords a few weeks back and the connectors came last week! I just finished making up one pair of the so-called White Lightning Moonshine cables with them (I did tinned leads on one end, dual banana on the other) and if all goes well I'll make up the other pair soon enough. 2 pairs of these will do my biamp 4341s!
Thanks for the great photo - I didn't get what that extra black "track" piece was until I checked your photo and realized it was a strain relief!
Way cool connectors,
hopefully these will give me true 20-50kc response !
My bag of Neutrik dual-bananas arrived today. I ordered them from markertek.com. They weren't the cheapest but cheap enough at about $1.70 each (more for red, for some reason), and shipping wasn't inexpensive, but they did show up in just two-days.
the Neutriks are superb. The wire ends are completely enclosed, the contact surfaces are well made, and the standard toothed cable-clamp works well with the "Moonshine" cable. The plated contact elements are even keyed (square) so you can assemble them rotated in 90º increments and they stay put. The fit and material quality is superb for such an inexpensive part. I was so impressed, as I have been with every Neutrik product, that I felt compelled to stage a photo to show just how well thought-out and constructed they are.
The Neutrik part numbers are NYS508-B (for black) and NYS508-R (for red) and I've seen them offered in Europe in an even broader assortment of odd-ball colors.
#1 Biamped 4341, LC2, B380, L20T3, L20T - #2 Carver 6250, L200 3ways -
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