How come "unwelcome"?
I mean, uh...come on!
p.s. You made my day
...i think.
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How come "unwelcome"?
I mean, uh...come on!
p.s. You made my day
...i think.
40+ years of sacrifice...and for what???
Yawn,
He Sounds like a baby that's lost its rattle and has gone crying home to Moma.
Refer to The Eagles Hell Freezes Over.....on a JBL 3 or 4 way not a retro two way thankyou
GET OVER IT
How many devils...
It's the effing halos that are the problem: no friction and too much displacement. Replace those halos with horns and see how many you can cram on that pinhead.Originally Posted by Lancer
Interlocking horns, baby, that's the answer.
Out.
Sorry, that's an "upgrade," which has been conspicuously stricken from the scope of R&R, and is certainly not "to orginal specifications."
Don't know why y'all are YELLIN' at the Zilchster here....
The intent is clear, and it's more than merely distinguishing R&R from M&DIY.I do think however if the direction is taken as discussed in the DIY post poll it will certainly assist in cleaning up the confusion over where and when to post.
Taken that the afformentioned proposal legitimises diy pseudoism then those that want to free fall in their own incarnations can do so while the those looking for the facts can read with assurance in vintage JBL restorations
Perhaps a JBL sticker on a post or a thread header will become the stamp of approval that it is correct and accuratewhile those vetted to be less so will get the
stamp.
The question is who decides what is correct and pure?
I say let free discourse handle it....
Essentially we are talking about the JBL recommended best practice. It isn't all that complicated.
I didn't know you were an anarchist.
Widget
Ummmm, more like iconoclast, maybe?I didn't know you were an anarchist.
Hello Zilch
I will make this as simple a distinction as I can
"The question is who decides what is correct and pure?"
In R+R JBL's Original Design or as close as possible with the available drivers and recone kits. It's JBL's design not the restorer.
In DIY the builder of the speakers. It's your design and you can do whatever you want. So basically everything and anything goes. Two very different animals
Rob
I concur....you are correct, Sir.
What the hell is all the fuss about?
Edgewound...JBL Pro Authorized...since 1988
Upland Loudspeaker Service, Upland, CA
To quote the head man:
We're nailing that down, is all.
I suspect, in the cited example thread, in light of what we have so far, your post regarding making 2203's out of 2235 cones would become "deleted content."
No problem?
No....actually, my friend...that would come under Mod/DIY....since 2203 recone kits are no longer available....and there is no substitution called out in my JBL Service Lit. I don't understand why you have a problem with my post. I just stated earlier in this thread that R&R to current specs is listed in the JBL Service Manual...that's all. And please don't try to take my posts out of context.
Edgewound...JBL Pro Authorized...since 1988
Upland Loudspeaker Service, Upland, CA
I don't expect we'll see any more of the, "deleted content." I would expect that type of solution to be prefaced with this is off topic or other reminder to those that don't know what the best practice is that it would be an experimental solution. (As it was I believe.)
There is nothing wrong with experimental solutions. The goal is simply to let everyone understand when they are leaving the charted waters of JBL stock and entering into a new and possibly uncharted area.
Perhaps the problem you are having understanding the point of this is that to you and many of us this seems obvious. The reason for being so pedantic is that there are many who read these threads that may not know the difference. There are some that think you can change a foam surround on a 2235 to a cloth roll and still have a 4430... as you know, this simply isn't the case. It can be done, but it should be clearly stated that this isn't JBL sanctioned and it will no longer sound the same as the JBL original.
Widget
I have no problem with your post. I think it's a good and creative approach to a solution. Do not take this personally:
We're having a discussion about the implications of the newly defined R&R forum. I cited that thread as an example for discussion. The presumption is that it would be in R&R, hypothetically, and the question was, what there might not comply with the new definition.
I suggested that the entire thread would appropriately be moved to M&DIY. You seem to agree with that. Do you believe your post would appropriately remain in an R&R thread under the proposed definition?
Do we agree, then, that "experimental solutions" would not be appropriate in R&R?
I suppose they would be acceptable as a last resort in some instances.
If the thread is about restoring a 4350, any recommendation to use a 2122,2213, etc., etc. would be wrong. A suggestion that a K120 frame be reconed with a 2202A kit would be appropriate.
If this solution was no longer available then the JBL suggested solution should be suggested. If there is no JBL suggested solution, then a mention of that fact should be posted with a recommendation to find used parts or as a last resort follow the best experimental approach.
For DIY, anything is acceptable as it is a free for all and any advice is acceptable and open for debate.
Widget
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