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    "I meant the crummy little typically black meager little cube consumer subs that people attach to an already lame system."

    Oh! That stuff!

    I wouldn't know anything about that stuff!
    There are some things a pig just won't do...

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    Hey I thought a subwoofer was that box that you get with those little Bose cubes.

    Gosh.

    To be fair to Bo, most subs aren't very good, and even most good ones are set too high (SPL) for a natural sound in many demos.

    Additionally, for a properly set up HT you want the sub 6 to 10dB hotter than you would for a neutral music playback system. Unfortunately most systems that are used for both music and HT are not that easy to make this adjustment every time you go from HT to music.

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    "Hey I thought a subwoofer was that box that you get with those little Bose cubes."

    I thought a subwoofer was a doberman on a u-boat.

    "Unfortunately most systems that are used for both music and HT are not that easy to make this adjustment every time you go from HT to music."

    That is a fact.

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    Hello Mr. Widget

    "Unfortunately most systems that are used for both music and HT are not that easy to make this adjustment every time you go from HT to music."

    If you have fullrange mains just keep the sub off when the tunes are on. Works fine set and forget. Also I hear what you saying about HT sub level but I don't set it that high. May be a couple of DB higher. May be good for the crash and boom but in unbalances ALL the backround sounds/music and is more natural not up that high IMHO.

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    Hmmm... I'll bow out of this discussion right about now
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    Originally posted by boputnam
    Hmmm... I'll bow out of this discussion right about now
    Yeah well you should with two 4345's sitting in your listening room! Off the top of my head I think that nothing short of a pair of 2242H subs would add anything to what you already have and that would be mostly for DVD playback.

    I suppose you could do this for fun....
    Plug one of the 4345 ports and apply a 6 dB boost at 25 Hz.
    Plug two of the 4345 ports and apply a 6 dB boost at 20 Hz.
    You have a 5234A right?

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    No no, don't go....you enjoy this more than L100 bashing...

    Actually, whne i was musing with the software simulator for the 4345 I called upton scientist Witold Waldron, the developer of Caldsod to ask why so many software models don't agree with the T/Tables.

    Anyway we week spent a week or two looking at empirical tuning values and talked a fair bit about the percpetion of human earing to variations in low frequency amplitude in view of the obvious audible changes with different tunings.

    There are a number of AES papers on sub woofee development, even using many subs all over the room etc. I recall the ear/human brain is very sensitive to low frequency variations in absolute flatness and delay up to certain threshold.

    Ian

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    Originally posted by Giskard
    You have a 5234A right?
    No early alzheimer's, there, yer correct - I soitenly do have one.

    And, yea, I know and am not personally seeking anything more. But with the 4345's getting taste-tested by so many friends and neighbors (some when they wish they were sleeping... ) they're all getting VLF envy, and wanna move-up the food chain.
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