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    I think those Fostex's will be very interesting they have an extended response to 33k. Be curious as to the air they add. ?


    http://www.madisound.com/cgi-bin/ind...6.1553&pid=349






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    Quote Originally Posted by jackgiff View Post
    Hey, you can bring the Crites tweets down, and join in. Could be a real happening!

    I could make a mounting board for Storms new tweets if they are APT-80s, or if Fostex, they would just sit on top?

    WOW, another comparo, and this one would be much better. And if I decide to order another pair of BMS (4552 this time) they could be ready as well. Jeff, could you and Tom bring his Vals as well as the tweets?

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    I'm going to do a cabinet swap on all his drivers. I'll have to see where I'm as far as progress goes on the project, I have some refinishing to do on the new cab's. It's a big question? I know I can get Storm's done in time. Also the issue is transporting them up if I get Tom's done. The only way I see it happening is if they have extra room to transport them, and if I get them done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zilch View Post
    I'll send the Crites tweets along to try, as well....

    "Done?"

    Storm?


    I think he is sleeping at the wheel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sourceoneaudio View Post
    I have in front of me that posting from the site that has all three phasing time alignment issues that Altec covered with in board flange, out board flange, and voice coil in plane time alignment.
    Where the flanges are:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zilch View Post
    The dip at 2.5 kHz is also troublesome, but it looks like 8 kHz would not be a bad point to kick in the tweeters on that pair.
    Same dip here:

    http://audioheritage.org/vbulletin/s...=14690&page=41

    That's when I likewise concluded 6 kHz or 8 kHz would be appropriate for crossing in a tweeter.

    Looks familiar now, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sourceoneaudio View Post
    I think those Fostex's will be very interesting they have an extended response to 33k. Be curious as to the air they add?
    I bought the Crites and BMS. Jack bought the Eminence. Tom bought the Klipsch. Storm bought the T-35s.

    YOU buy the Fostex....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zilch View Post
    I bought the Crites and BMS. Jack bought the Eminence. Tom bought the Klipsch. Storm bought the T-35s.

    YOU buy the Fostex....

    You are so funny Mr. Zilch.

    Those were my Klipsch Tweeters Tom bought, second, Like I'm going to buy drivers for speakers that are not mine......... ho, ho, ha, ha, hee, hee, ha, ha.!!!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by sourceoneaudio View Post
    second, Like I'm going to buy drivers

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    I think you are talking about tweeters...



    So, Jeff - are we completing the Fostex tweeter addition before we do the speaker shootout on the 19th, or are we going to wait to do it until the 19th?

    Where are we putting the fostex tweeters?

    Jack, is this a go for the 19th or just talk?

    -Storm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storm View Post
    I think you are talking about tweeters...



    So, Jeff - are we completing the Fostex tweeter addition before we do the speaker shootout on the 19th, or are we going to wait to do it until the 19th?

    Where are we putting the fostex tweeters?

    Jack, is this a go for the 19th or just talk?

    -Storm
    The 19th is a target proposed by Jeff, but it isn't really clear from my schedule whether that is a good date or not. Will probably know within the next week.

    Sounds like Jeff has convinced you to do the Fostex tweeter thing. Placement will be critical for several reasons as you know. For what it is worth, Zilch is going to order a pair of BMS 4552 drivers for me, and test them to work out any value changes to the LCR filter before sending them to me. I really think the BMS fix would work best for you, but I cannot tell you what decisions to make. After hearing most of the ways to add HF to the Vals, BMS is the way I have chosen to go for my third pair. That should tell you something.

    And I will bet when I post pix of the BMS FR tomorrow, it won't have the big dip at 2.5 KHz that the Altec 806A does. If you can't wait to hear the different units, you are buying a pig in a poke. Does Jeff guarantee the Fostex will "add air?"

    Too bad, in my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zilch View Post
    Having measurement capabilities is pretty much essential for doing this stuff, in my experience.


    More data ... less wank....
    Yeah... we're pretty happy that we were able to show you that so you could then spam the ever living hell out of our forum with pretty much everything you could get your hands on to measure. I sometimes wonder if you wonder why the rest of us don't bother.

    But the noodles love it so carry on. I'm still waiting for these leaches to set you up with a LEAP or MLSSA system so you can hit the big leagues and have a reason to increase your post count by an order of magnitude. Seriously Zilch, you have the inclination, and you obviously have a ton of spare time, so you might as well be making money from all this. You spoke of getting up a retirement fund, this might be the ticket. There has been talk about moving all this to your personal website for several years now. Basically you are using a free website to post personal stuff at will and some people have been questioning that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giskard View Post
    I sometimes wonder if you wonder why the rest of us don't bother.
    Heh. You measure, I jus' KNOW it.

    In secret.

    Quote Originally Posted by Giskard View Post
    I'm still waiting for these leaches to set you up with a LEAP or MLSSA system so you can hit the big leagues....
    The Grille Cloth fund is eyeing LEAP, of late....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zilch View Post
    Heh. You measure, I jus' KNOW it.

    In secret.
    I measure when there is a specific need. It isn't a lifestyle for me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zilch View Post
    The Grille Cloth fund is eyeing LEAP, of late....
    Good. I realize that you are addicted to all this and you insist on pursuing it. I really do want you to look into your own website for all these projects though. You can link to it like others do from your monikers here and on AK. You would be able to build it any way you wished and you could detail your research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackgiff View Post
    If you can't wait to hear the different units, you are buying a pig in a poke. Does Jeff guarantee the Fostex will "add air?"

    Jack Gifford
    He is not promising anything. I have not ordered anything, yet.

    Should I?

    I am confused now...

    -Storm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storm View Post
    I am confused now...
    Wait, Storm, until after the second Comparo is complete.

    Jack will measure your Valencias for you, in comparison to the other options.

    Decide on the basis of what you see, hear and like best then....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storm View Post
    I am confused now...

    -Storm.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zilch View Post
    Wait, Storm, until after the second Comparo is complete.

    Decide on the basis of what you hear and like best then....
    He was confused before, he's confused now, he'll be confused then ...
    if a cute little altec shakes its cone in his face he'll swear fealty for life and be off on another tangent ... Its inevitable!
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