thanks, I now see both the S860 and S800 as 205WPC '93 units on the audiogon bluebook site, though why two nearly identical models in the same year??

also, I tracked some of the recent Hafler threads, and had my interest peaked by some of their 90's units, such as the Pro5000(325WPC) and Pro500(250WPC) units..... you know the L7s these are intended for so I appreciate your opinions, how would you compare some of the 90s vintage Haflers against the Soundcraftsmen units?