Sean Olive Interview

[Mr. Widget]

Good to know. Seems every thread I've read suggests the 2235 as superior in all aspects and thus an upgrade. I'm on the look-out for NOS recone kits for mine...

A million years ago I had a bunch of LE15As (consumer version of the 2215) over time I changed them out for 2235Hs. The 2235Hs dig a little deeper and can certainly take more power, but looking back on it, I am not convinced that the 2235H was a subjective improvement.


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[DerekTheGreat]

Good luck on the cone kits, there should be some stashed around. The 2235 is a late 70's early 80's driver? Came after 2231. The 2215's have their roots back in the 60's so very different drivers. With 2235's you get more x-max, more power handling, with the 2215 you get a significant jump in sensitivity lower moving mass more similar to 2234.

You are using subs so why mess with the "helper" woofer.

Rob

A million years ago I had a bunch of LE15As (consumer version of the 2215) over time I changed them out for 2235Hs. The 2235Hs dig a little deeper and can certainly take more power, but looking back on it, I am not convinced that the 2235H was a subjective improvement.


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"A million years ago." Great to know! That'll squelch any remaining curiosity I had in swapping to 2235's. Guess it's like Rob said, I'm using subs so there's no need to swap. Perhaps the higher sensitivity is why they used the 2215 in the 813C? It's been a damn fine system, I have no complaints about the 2215's. I was just drinking the "upgrade" Kool-Aid. If I could get my hands on two NOS 2215 recone kits, that would be dandy. I check HiFi Shark and eBay weekly, but no dice so far.

[Ian Mackenzie]

I’ve heard Rob’s set up with the E-145. It’s definitely a fast driver & perfect for mid base.

Speaking of reviews Erin has pissed off loudspeaker manufacturer Tekton.

I am posting this because l feel it’s important to understand the perspective between the on-line or You-Tube reviewer and the loudspeaker manufacturer. How these aspiring online reviewers operate and interact with manufacturers is quite different to legitimate reviews arranged directly with the manufacturer.

The weird thing is that Sean Olive brought up the risk of litigation when reviewing a loudspeaker during the interview. Erin seems to ad lib his understanding of the subject matter & projects the impression he’s treading into uncharted waters with his online enterprise.

I think Eric the owner of Tekton makes some really pertinent points in this vid clip below and provides a great perspective on the misunderstandings that can occur with unsolicited reviews involving publication of measurements and the scrutiny that can unfold.

In the other hand Steve Guttenberg who is an industry veteran and journalist has successfully delivered thousands of reviews without a hitch.

It really is about the listening. Let your ears tell you if you like what you’re hearing.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=I5qj09yT...z5bx2d5zYzS03e

https://youtube.com/watch?v=I5qj09yT...z5bx2d5zYzS03e

https://tektondesign.com/products/

[Robh3606]

Hello Ian

I would look at both sides.

And it's not just Erin it's issues with another review of one of his speakers done by Amir at ASW and a third review as well.

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/f....48732/page-78 Post 1558

With ASR ongoing go through the thread and decide for yourself what's going on.

Rob

[DerekTheGreat]

Erin fires back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItAwcW-3Kv4

[Robh3606]

Erin fires back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItAwcW-3Kv4

He put it up thought it was still on Patreon

Thanks

The review looks pretty fair to me. Don't understand all the drama.

https://www.erinsaudiocorner.com/lou...on_troubadour/

OK ASR here in lies the issue:

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/f...-review.48732/

Go to the end of the long thread review for the manufacturers comments about the differences between Erin and Amir responses to his criticism.

Gez what a mess!

Rob

[Ian Mackenzie]

Hello Ian

I would look at both sides.

And it's not just Erin it's issues with another review of one of his speakers done by Amir at ASW and a third review as well.

https://www.audiosciencereview.com/f....48732/page-78 Post 1558

With ASR ongoing go through the thread and decide for yourself what's going on.

Rob

Hi Rob,

That’s funny.

My post needs to be read coherently and then related to the links. I’m not taking sides. I am providing clarity on where this online nonsense by Popup YouTubers is going.

The short version is don’t watch it. These people are what are called online influencers. They are blow flys. They create content to attract you so they make money. Some get together for a webinar chat like a Footy Show and spit ball. It’s like watching the WWE. It’s entertainment. Nothing more.

They want you to believe and accept they are the new normal.

Those with some professional experience in product marketing will see through the BS. The un suspecting public view the products on these YouTube channels as legitimate reviews. The majority are actually not. They are un solicited. These are not newspapers or magazines who have a legal counsel to oversee the legitimacy of a review before it’s published. Litigation if the process of sorting out a dispute before it goes to court. Thats normal in the real business world.

The normal review process is that either a registered online publication or magazine will contact the manufacturer or visa versa and reach an agreement to review the product. The manufacturer sends the product with a full editorial of fact checked information for review . The reviewer will confirm the product is functioning correctly with the manufacturer. The reviewer sends the completed review to the manufacturer to be fact checked before publication. The review itself can’t necessarily be changed. In the case of a technical review it’s often done independently of the reviewer. The reviewer is a professional journalist with a long experience in the industry on the process of reviewing a product. The reviewer should have no influence over the technical testing.

I myself used a public relations professional for over a decade to organise and manage the above. Attempting to deal with an online YouTube channel is a very risky move.

The product reviews on this site are legitimate.
https://www.stereonet.com/au/

I did look at the coverage on several channels. It’s gone viral because they want you to watch it. It makes them money.

I don’t look at these online talk feasts. I was searching for something else and l saw the drama. The best place to work out if a loudspeaker is for you is a product dealer who will assist you in your evaluation.

[Robh3606]

So who looks at the spinaroma data and Kllppel data from on line reviews? Do you put any weight on it?

I do when there is a speaker reviewed I am interested in. I also think there is a lot of good data in the Klippel data you don't see even with manufacturers who do publish measurements.

Rob

[Mr. Widget]

The normal review process is that either a registered online publication or magazine will contact the manufacturer or visa versa and reach an agreement to review the product. The manufacturer sends the product with a full editorial of fact checked information for review . The reviewer will confirm the product is functioning correctly with the manufacturer. The reviewer sends the completed review to the manufacturer to be fact checked before publication. The review itself can’t necessarily be changed. In the case of a technical review it’s often done independently of the reviewer. The reviewer is a professional journalist with a long experience in the industry on the process of reviewing a product. The reviewer should have no influence over the technical testing.


I don’t look at these online talk feasts. I was searching for something else and l saw the drama. The best place to work out if a loudspeaker is for you is a product dealer who will assist you in your evaluation.

I think you are making too broad a statement.

There are reputable magazines and reviewers and there are gas bags publishing their opinions in some of the same magazines on how changing a power cable made a night and day difference. On-line there are serious and thoughtful reviews and there are folks who will say anything to gain clicks.

As with any other endeavor, caveat emptor. We need to evaluate each on its own merits and make use of the reviews as appropriate.

So who looks at the spinaroma data and Kllppel data from on line reviews? Do you put any weight on it?

I do when there is a speaker reviewed I am interested in. I also think there is a lot of good data in the Klippel data you don't see even with manufacturers who do publish measurements.

Heck yeah... the Klippel measurement system is a phenomenal advance and the spinorama data is very useful... Floyd Toole is no on-line hack and he places a lot of value in this data.


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