Are you using these as pre-amps, replacing another EQ, or other? 'Sounds "more natural" than what, or why? Do you think it's the EQ curves, (assuming you're adjusting them), similar curves to original but with "phase coherence", (??), or simply a better preamp, (than what?)?Originally Posted by boputnam
'Just curious what exactly is responsible for the improvement...
John
And I just want to know where to buy them and how much they cost. The company web site was of little to no help.
Greetings Bo!, and thank you for the heads up on this unit, looking forward to integrating it into my system
Now to BMWCCA's inquiry.
This model is still being manufactured and is apparently still very popular, I was told that they were introduced in the late 80's....they are currently retailing for $4,100.00.
I recently scooped one up on ebay for $603.00 (beat someone out by $3.00), the unit looked like it was abused and I was a little surprised by the amount that it went for. It gets better, when I got the unit it indeed looked like it was not treated half as well as it deserved and when I hooked it up...oh boy, bad news, some of the knobs were produning very nasty snap crackle and pops when turned & I mean really nasty I thought it was going to damage my speakers (hooked it up to secondary set not the 4430's for which it was intended).
Immediately unplugged & shipped it to Meyer Sound, (great custommer service & great turnaround time, 1week). they replaced pots and re-calibrated the unit and are in the process of shipping it back to me, total cost for inspecting unit replacing faulty "stuff" and recalibrating was $270.00. This company is sooo professional, a real pleasure to deal with. I only wish other companies would begin to approach the level of customer service these guys provide, I am actually surprised that companies of this caliber are still out there.
Cant wait till it comes back
Just Play Music.
Hi Krunchy, FWIW I've found I only needed 3 of the 5 bands per ch for what Ilooking forward to integrating it into my system
wanted to achieve...
Do you have a measurement system (sorry, if you've posted that info)? Setting
these (parametric EQ) up by ear, especially while learning about them,
could turn into a very less-than-optimum selection of settings. -grumpy
Hi Grumpy,
No I do not have a measurement system at the moment and, I agree about setting these up "by ear". I could only envision someone's (who actually knows something about this) expression if they heard what I could potentially set these to. Been reading a lot here and am aware of my learning curve requirements (they're vast
My saving grace (hopefully) is that I am aware of just how much I do not know about all this stuff.
Its all new to me but I want to at least have a very rudimentary understanding of how & why some things work and some do not (even though I might think they should). One thing that I have become aware of is how much I have to un-learn about sound, we'll see how that goes, cant make any promises there
Just Play Music.
cool. That EQ is a very nice tool & deserves knowledgeable use.
On your way to a -very- nice setup
I have dealt with them on several occasions and even John Meyer himself and have the utmost respect for them and would recommend them and their equipment to anyone looking for top notch pro gear.
Widget
Agreed.
All my CP-10's have cycled through service, to ensure they are functioning as designed. I'm not sure I understand the repair pricing structure, but whatever... I had one unit fry it's power supply - a very strange occurrence seemingly caused by my taking a split from a feed into the CP-10 (console output into my USBPre), and then trying to send from the USBPre into the console (Pink Noise). All the matrix outs and mono out were used, and there was no pfl out - a split was my only option. It wasn't happy with something about that.Meyer had it back to me within a week.
Anyway, now I carry a Pink Noise CD, too.
To Grumpy and krunchy: after you are done revelling in their power, be modest with your filters. This is an intensely powerful unit - extremely narrow, Hi-Q focussed filters can be affected. Let us know how you like their sound...
To Grumpy and krunchy: after you are done revelling in their power, be modest with your filters. This is an intensely powerful unit - extremely narrow, Hi-Q focussed filters can be affected. Let us know how you like their sound...
Indeed. I knew what I was in for from the start.
...appreciate the good words of wisdom/experience.
Listened to determine areas I wanted to focus on,
measured system to get numbers (freq, approx Q, and gain)
and to decide where to bother "fixing" things (& by how much),
set EQ,
measured again,
small EQ adjustments,
listened,
done adjusting for now.
Note that achieving perfect flatness was not my intent.
I like it because it's an appropriate tool for what I wanted to
achieve and because I -don't- hear it.
Indeed I have no idea what I'm in for
Thank you Bo, will heed your advise.
Just Play Music.
No, they are passive, after the pre-amp.
Yes.
Than the system did, before - and it was hella good before. Sounds more natural/neutral than any system I have heard save Widget's, and now ours are comparable.
There is still the same pre-amp and amp as before - only change was the EQ. PEQ's introduce notably less phase perturbations than GEQ's do. Also, the Q is highly adjustable, and the frequency can be pin-pointed. So, less of the frequency response is impacted unintentionally - the corrections are more precise.
That said, I made almost no changes from the prior curve. This device just sounds, well, less...
'Just curious - how did you determine the curves? SMAART? RTA? Ears? Combination?
To me, the best sound I've gotten has been when doing it by ear, based on single note sine waves at 1/3 octave ISO center frequencies, using a Neutrik Minirator as source. I plug in each frequency one at a time, first left, then right, and adjust to equal *ear* volume, then L+R together, while moving around the room, and fine tuning, taking into account intermediate frequencies. Of course, the curve will only be perfect to *my* ears but that's what's nice about being able to store setups...
John
I find it's results are less subjective and more consistent than other "methods". That said, if there is ever something clearly "not right", it get's remedied. But the more I use the Smaart platform, the more I learn about and appreciate the benefits of proper EQ. JMO...
The whole point here was to acknowledge the extreme importance of the gear you choose - at all price points. I did not expect such improvement going from the GEQ I use to this particular PEQ - they are both best in class. There is more phase distortion in GEQ use than most of us admit to. GEQ are great for SR applications* where you need to move fast and benefit from their very visible "curve", but in more static settings PEQ are a better choice.
(* - I've not had any GEQ in my SR racks for the past year or so. I get better results with PEQ's).
So the KTs are out and the Meyers is in at F.O.H. ?
Oldmics
Sicily for N Y Eve and then onto Germany for a beer with H.P.
Yea - a major change for me. The KT9848 DSP weaned me from the GEQ "crutch" - the "holyshitgrabafilter!!" reaction. The KT9848 has 12 PEQ on each input and 6 PEQ on each output - working with them over the past three-years spoilt me - the GEQ filters seem never centered where I need them. Plus, the CP-10 is only 2RU - gaining back rack space is always fun!!
Wow, good for you, dood! You gigging or just pleasuring?? Please give our warmest regards and take some pics, of course!
I'm gigless this NYE for the first time in years. Here's me jammin' behind my little Midas Venice desk at last years gig...
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