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    Cab Sizes - L101 vs. L99

    Would anyone know why the L101 (LE14A/175) is slightly larger than the L99 (LE14A/LE20)? There seems to be enough space on the L99 baffle to fit the 175/horn combo too. The L99 looks to be ~7% smaller overall.



    Did I miss something real obvious here?

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    L99 is a bookshelf speaker. L101 is floor standing.

    Nobody'd pay the fare for a compression driver in a bookshelf.

    L99 is too small for LE14A to really perform.

    They both are, actually, and LE14A is crossed too high with either of those tweeters.

    BB6P suggests 2 cuft @ 32 Hz for "Hi-Fi" (Orchid), and 4 cuft @ 27 Hz for "Extended Bass." Citation 7.4 (3.5 cuft?) @ 29 Hz seems a good compromise.
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    I assume you mean S99 instead of L99?

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    AKA "Lancer 99," I believe....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zilch
    AKA "Lancer 99," I believe....
    Yes, & I abbreviated it to L99.

    I should have written S99 to be accurate though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zilch
    L99 is a bookshelf speaker. L101 is floor standing.

    Nobody'd pay the fare for a compression driver in a bookshelf.

    L99 is too small for LE14A to really perform.

    They both are, actually, and LE14A is crossed too high with either of those tweeters.

    BB6P suggests 2 cuft @ 32 Hz for "Hi-Fi" (Orchid), and 4 cuft @ 27 Hz for "Extended Bass." Citation 7.4 (3.5 cuft?) @ 29 Hz seems a good compromise.
    They were definitely splitting hairs as they differ 1" in height, 23 1/2" for the S99 & 24 1/2" for the L101. Just add a couple cinder blocks to the S99s and you are right with the era.



    What would you recommend as the improvement over the stock 2K crossover point? Can the LE20 handle 1.5K as provided by the LX10?

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    What's your objective, to "fix" S99? If so, I'll take a closer look. No room to do much with the port takin' up all that baffle space.

    Me, I'd build Z1 cabinets and repackage the LE14A with the inexpensive 1" PT-F95 waveguides and 2418H-1 compression drivers.

    OR, build some 4425 or L200t3 clones outta them with 2342 horns.

    1.5 kHz is not low enough....

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    This'll work, but you'll still need a sub.

    Use 2342 if you want 100° x 100° butt-cheeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zilch
    What's your objective,....?
    Zilch, That is a stellar & fair question. I am not sure I can even answer it either. I can't say the S99s sound bad because I cannot listen to them in their present condition. The LE14A surrounds are rock hard and need refoaming.

    If I had to answer speculatively, I'd say to fix the sound quality on the S99 that has been commented on here as having a non-existent midtrange. If I could do that by adjusting crossover components to a lower turnover, that would be the easiest. So, how low can the LE20 safely go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zilch
    This'll work, but you'll still need a sub.

    Use 2342 if you want butt-cheeks.
    Hmmmm, compelling.

    Who makes the PT-F95 horns you mentioned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundmotor
    So, how low can the LE20 safely go?
    I dunno.

    I once considered using them in a mini-monitor at 1 kHz, but abandoned the idea.

    Also important is how they would sound down there.

    We're not talkin' mini-monitor here....

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundmotor
    Who makes the PT-F95 horns you mentioned?
    JBL, of course.

    Part #338800-001, $9.90 each....

    That'sa 2418H-1 on it there.

    Build a snazzy moderne box for the waveguide and driver. Think mini-Altec 19 and Exemplar.

    OR, turn 'em sideways on stands with LavaLamps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zilch
    We're not talkin' mini-monitor here....
    That is for sure!

    I am going to measure the set of LE20s I have from my S109s & I'll post the results here. With that little teeny voice-coil & minimal travel I am really curious what their LF resonance is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zilch
    JBL, of course.

    Part #338800-001, $9.90 each....
    No kidding?

    JBL would have been my last guess.

    I would have figured cheap horns only to be available from the "Golden ShingHa Joy Audio Horn Company" or some such.



    Thank you for the info too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundmotor
    No kidding?

    JBL would have been my last guess.
    http://www.jblproservice.com/pdf/AE%...2212,95-WH.pdf

    http://www.jblproservice.com/pdf/Sou...actor/SF15.pdf

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